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		<title>Comment on leadership in joshua by Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
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		<description>Carpe your diem means Seize your your day.</description>
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		<title>Comment on dispatches from a quiet library, pt 2 by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://embodyingourfaith.com/2011/06/dispatches-from-a-quiet-library-pt-2/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome. </description>
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		<title>Comment on dispatches from a solo retreat by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a good time. Wondering if the lecture on C. S. Lewis by Dr. Earl Palmer is available online someplace? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a good time. Wondering if the lecture on C. S. Lewis by Dr. Earl Palmer is available online someplace?</p>
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		<title>Comment on dispatches from a solo retreat by tim</title>
		<link>http://embodyingourfaith.com/2011/04/dispatches-from-a-solo-retreat/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! If you go to the itunes store and look at itunes university, there is a whole lecture series on Lewis from Seattle Pacific University.  And it&#039;s free!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! If you go to the itunes store and look at itunes university, there is a whole lecture series on Lewis from Seattle Pacific University.  And it&#8217;s free!</p>
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		<title>Comment on reflecting on love wins by rob bell by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://embodyingourfaith.com/2011/03/reflecting-on-love-wins-by-rob-bell/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t but think some of this is generational.

Years ago, God was a God of wrath and that perception was a guiding force for a number of years. A Catholic friend once referred to his faith as one built by guilt.

Then came the Jesus people (led in part by Chuck Smith) that taught us God was a God of love.

But today, there is a much greater focus on &quot;me&quot;. The words of JFK that ran true so many years now seem hollow. &quot;Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country&quot;. Today, we are concerned about &quot;My&quot; rights and it seems like we chase fairness and justice for every issue. &quot;That isn&#039;t fair to me&quot; or &quot;I don&#039;t want to do that&quot; is common language. 

There is a part of me that understands the conflicts of justice and love. But I struggle with those that want to soft sell the faith because someone could be offended; that hell is too bad, too long, too hot...just kidding but I hope you get the point.

My struggles are simple, I guess. Why shouldn&#039;t we be held accountable for our decisions? More importantly, why can&#039;t we trust God to make the right decisions for who enters the gate of heaven and hell? Too many of us, including me, sit in judgement too often and believe &quot;I&quot; know better. Isn&#039;t that why we call Him God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t but think some of this is generational.</p>
<p>Years ago, God was a God of wrath and that perception was a guiding force for a number of years. A Catholic friend once referred to his faith as one built by guilt.</p>
<p>Then came the Jesus people (led in part by Chuck Smith) that taught us God was a God of love.</p>
<p>But today, there is a much greater focus on &#8220;me&#8221;. The words of JFK that ran true so many years now seem hollow. &#8220;Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country&#8221;. Today, we are concerned about &#8220;My&#8221; rights and it seems like we chase fairness and justice for every issue. &#8220;That isn&#8217;t fair to me&#8221; or &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to do that&#8221; is common language. </p>
<p>There is a part of me that understands the conflicts of justice and love. But I struggle with those that want to soft sell the faith because someone could be offended; that hell is too bad, too long, too hot&#8230;just kidding but I hope you get the point.</p>
<p>My struggles are simple, I guess. Why shouldn&#8217;t we be held accountable for our decisions? More importantly, why can&#8217;t we trust God to make the right decisions for who enters the gate of heaven and hell? Too many of us, including me, sit in judgement too often and believe &#8220;I&#8221; know better. Isn&#8217;t that why we call Him God?</p>
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		<title>Comment on reflecting on love wins by rob bell by tim</title>
		<link>http://embodyingourfaith.com/2011/03/reflecting-on-love-wins-by-rob-bell/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.  The extreme me-centeredness of my generation certainly must figure into our angst too.  It only heightens the dynamic Augustine captured (and you point out) when he said we are offended at God being God.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  The extreme me-centeredness of my generation certainly must figure into our angst too.  It only heightens the dynamic Augustine captured (and you point out) when he said we are offended at God being God.</p>
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		<title>Comment on reflecting on love wins by rob bell by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have a theory. I think those of us who live in relatively peaceful, prosperous times and places struggle to wrap our minds around how a loving God can judge people as harshly as Scripture seems to indicate he will.&quot;

I think this a good point. I think my problem is trying to understand the justice of eternal damnation. It seems hard to fathom that a LOVING or a JUST God would allow someone to suffer FOREVER for even a lifetime of sins. 80 years of sin = eternity of suffering? It&#039;s not just a difficult teaching but it seems inconsistent with love or justice. 

So yes, I can see how the people suffering the brutality of Hitler couldn&#039;t fathom a God that would forgive such evil. But, at the same time, how does Ghandi deserve eternal damnation (from a strict exclusivist position) for his sins because he did not believe that Jesus was the living God and Savior of the world? 

While I agree that, &quot;I would never want a loved one to rely on&quot; a very inclusivist theology either, but I can&#039;t help but be hopeful that God&#039;s justice and mercy will include those who aren&#039;t believers (at least in the sense we most talk about). I don&#039;t think I can be a strict exclusivist. 

I even come to appreciate Annihilationalism for the same reason.. something even John Stott felt was necessary base on his understanding of God&#039;s love, mercy, and justice. 

-Kenny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have a theory. I think those of us who live in relatively peaceful, prosperous times and places struggle to wrap our minds around how a loving God can judge people as harshly as Scripture seems to indicate he will.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this a good point. I think my problem is trying to understand the justice of eternal damnation. It seems hard to fathom that a LOVING or a JUST God would allow someone to suffer FOREVER for even a lifetime of sins. 80 years of sin = eternity of suffering? It&#8217;s not just a difficult teaching but it seems inconsistent with love or justice. </p>
<p>So yes, I can see how the people suffering the brutality of Hitler couldn&#8217;t fathom a God that would forgive such evil. But, at the same time, how does Ghandi deserve eternal damnation (from a strict exclusivist position) for his sins because he did not believe that Jesus was the living God and Savior of the world? </p>
<p>While I agree that, &#8220;I would never want a loved one to rely on&#8221; a very inclusivist theology either, but I can&#8217;t help but be hopeful that God&#8217;s justice and mercy will include those who aren&#8217;t believers (at least in the sense we most talk about). I don&#8217;t think I can be a strict exclusivist. </p>
<p>I even come to appreciate Annihilationalism for the same reason.. something even John Stott felt was necessary base on his understanding of God&#8217;s love, mercy, and justice. </p>
<p>-Kenny</p>
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		<title>Comment on reflecting on love wins by rob bell by tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All valid points Kenny, and I too remain hopeful, but cautiously so.

On the justice of damnation being eternal, I too struggle, though CS Lewis has helped me immensely here (especially The Great Divorce and The Problem of Pain).  To me damnation has less to do with the proportionality of our finite sins vs an infinite punishment and more to do with our desire for God.  Measured against eternity, even the sins of a Hitler or Stalin do not merit eternal punishment.  But for one who has no interest in adoring God in this life, how would an eternity in heaven be heaven?  

And for those who do sincerely desire God (perhaps Ghandi did - I really can&#039;t say), I trust that God will deal justly with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All valid points Kenny, and I too remain hopeful, but cautiously so.</p>
<p>On the justice of damnation being eternal, I too struggle, though CS Lewis has helped me immensely here (especially The Great Divorce and The Problem of Pain).  To me damnation has less to do with the proportionality of our finite sins vs an infinite punishment and more to do with our desire for God.  Measured against eternity, even the sins of a Hitler or Stalin do not merit eternal punishment.  But for one who has no interest in adoring God in this life, how would an eternity in heaven be heaven?  </p>
<p>And for those who do sincerely desire God (perhaps Ghandi did &#8211; I really can&#8217;t say), I trust that God will deal justly with them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on leadership and discouragement by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://embodyingourfaith.com/2011/03/leadership-and-discouragement/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my son&#039;s youth group we were looking at depression with one of the examples being Elijah after the victory against the prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel.  It is amazing that so quickly we can go from such highs, seeing for ourselves the direct evidence of God&#039;s working and victory, and then fall into discouragement when facing what should be seen as an insignificant threat in light of God&#039;s place in our lives.  It is comforting to know to the infinite unchanging nature of God regardless of our ever changing circumstances. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my son&#8217;s youth group we were looking at depression with one of the examples being Elijah after the victory against the prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel.  It is amazing that so quickly we can go from such highs, seeing for ourselves the direct evidence of God&#8217;s working and victory, and then fall into discouragement when facing what should be seen as an insignificant threat in light of God&#8217;s place in our lives.  It is comforting to know to the infinite unchanging nature of God regardless of our ever changing circumstances.</p>
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		<title>Comment on leadership and discouragement by tim</title>
		<link>http://embodyingourfaith.com/2011/03/leadership-and-discouragement/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elijah is an interesting case in point, isn&#039;t he?  He could be the patron saint of the typical pastor&#039;s monday am malaise . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elijah is an interesting case in point, isn&#8217;t he?  He could be the patron saint of the typical pastor&#8217;s monday am malaise . . .</p>
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